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    Bible Study - Thread: Taking Thoughts Captive

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      Taking Thoughts Captive

      We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5 NIV

      The Bible says a lot about controlling and renewing our thoughts. The verse above calls it taking captive every thought.

      So, how do we do that? What's the end result if a believer doesn't do that?

      How do you renew your mind as it says in Romans 12:2 and set your mind on things above Colossians 3:2

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5 NIV

      The Bible says a lot about controlling and renewing our thoughts. The verse above calls it taking captive every thought.

      So, how do we do that? What's the end result if a believer doesn't do that?

      How do you renew your mind as it says in Romans 12:2 and set your mind on things above Colossians 3:2
      You don't. You pray to God, Who does all the work in getting rid of that pesky Old Adam and Who forms Christ in you. God's grace remains our only hope in this world and the next.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Confessional Lutheran View Post
      You don't. You pray to God, Who does all the work in getting rid of that pesky Old Adam and Who forms Christ in you. God's grace remains our only hope in this world and the next.
      Well, that's interesting. Romans 12:2 is a command to renew your mind. So why would it ask you to do something that you don't do? I'm not trying to be a smart aleck. I struggle with some negative thoughts sometimes and would like to do better at this

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5 NIV

      The Bible says a lot about controlling and renewing our thoughts. The verse above calls it taking captive every thought.

      So, how do we do that? What's the end result if a believer doesn't do that?

      How do you renew your mind as it says in Romans 12:2 and set your mind on things above Colossians 3:2
      Replace wrong thoughts w the Word. It is written. Read a lot of Bible. Confess who He says you are in Him.
      I just read it on Facebook: there's a miracle under your nose.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      Well, that's interesting. Romans 12:2 is a command to renew your mind. So why would it ask you to do something that you don't do? I'm not trying to be a smart aleck. I struggle with some negative thoughts sometimes and would like to do better at this
      Who renews your mind? You or the Holy Spirit? I would say that God does the renewing simply because we aren't capable of doing that on our own. I definitely suggest a regimen of Scripture study and that God give you the grace to adopt it as part of your morning routine. The hows and whys are good but difficult questions to answer, but I can say that if you seek you'll find and that God will reveal those answers to you.

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      Read the bible, believe what it says. It says believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Why dont ppl take that thought captive to Christ and obey that?

      Ive been ridiculed for believing that Jesus is the Only Saviour , and once youre saved, youre saved forever, bc He's a complete and loving Saviour and all that He saves, He wont lose any, but its not the atheist that ridicules me as much as the so-called brothers and sisters in Christ.

      Ridicule and mockery for believing in salvation in Christ alone.
      One even asked 'why believe' in osas but I would say take that thought captive and ask Why would anyone believe in the some institution like the RomanCatholic denomination, JWs, Mormonism, or some other thing, rather than the bible?

      Some ppl would actually have their denominalationism, I suppose.
      There are even religious types in the world that would rather have ungodly practices and doctrines of devils , or have a hierarchy or even certain individuals Lord it over them or woo them with deception and be told what to say and do, and even worse, what to THINK, than take God at His Word, be saved.

      When thoughts arise that would cause doubt, confusion, fear that Jesus doesnt love them or they wont be saved, take those thoughts captive and say Begone, lying devil, My Saviour loves me and He wont lose me, enough religious lies, hypocrisy and bondage.

      Jesus died to set us free, and once saved, THEN we can come boldly to His throne of grace, with all our thoughts...the bible gives us things to think on, and encourages us to protect ourselves with armor, and our minds, our thoughts, with a helmet...the helmet of salvation.
      os as

      ~Ignoring others...especially other
      believers, is anti-christian.~ 1John

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      Quote Originally Posted by Snerfle View Post
      Read the bible, believe what it says. It says believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. Why dont ppl take that thought captive to Christ and obey that?

      Ive been ridiculed for believing that Jesus is the Only Saviour , and once youre saved, youre saved forever, bc He's a complete and loving Saviour and all that He saves, He wont lose any, but its not the atheist that ridicules me as much as the so-called brothers and sisters in Christ.

      Ridicule and mockery for believing in salvation in Christ alone.
      One even asked 'why believe' in osas but I would say take that thought captive and ask Why would anyone believe in the some institution like the RomanCatholic denomination, JWs, Mormonism, or some other thing, rather than the bible?

      Some ppl would actually have their denominalationism, I suppose.
      There are even religious types in the world that would rather have ungodly practices and doctrines of devils , or have a hierarchy or even certain individuals Lord it over them or woo them with deception and be told what to say and do, and even worse, what to THINK, than take God at His Word, be saved.

      When thoughts arise that would cause doubt, confusion, fear that Jesus doesnt love them or they wont be saved, take those thoughts captive and say Begone, lying devil, My Saviour loves me and He wont lose me, enough religious lies, hypocrisy and bondage.

      Jesus died to set us free, and once saved, THEN we can come boldly to His throne of grace, with all our thoughts...the bible gives us things to think on, and encourages us to protect ourselves with armor, and our minds, our thoughts, with a helmet...the helmet of salvation.
      I believe but scripture says that some will stop believing and turn away or even against Christ, God is on my mind 24/7 right when I wake up in the morning so I feel a connection but for someone to experience the rebirth and then invite demons in 7 fold into their house are vulnerable to rebellion even worse than before the conversion... I pray the apostasy is non local to me but its a fact in the bible that it will occur and people will fall away before the return of the Lord

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      I believe but scripture says that some will stop believing and turn away or even against Christ, God is on my mind 24/7 right when I wake up in the morning so I feel a connection but for someone to experience the rebirth and then invite demons in 7 fold into their house are vulnerable to rebellion even worse than before the conversion... I pray the apostasy is non local to me but its a fact in the bible that it will occur and people will fall away before the return of the Lord

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      Hi brother! Please dont take this in any condescending or snarky way, as is the manner of some, I mean this from the heart ..... Id really like to help you thru some of this stuff.

      Im sure you could get some things without any trouble, you seem pretty sharp, and not too deeply locked in on some things, ... and not real 'religious' (the bad kind, lol).

      (Often the hardest to reach are the religious but lost, and thats NOT lol) I think you could be a real blessing to others as a result ...

      but anyway, Ive read alot of your posts, even from before I re-joined here a little while back, and Im concerned bc I think you may be the victim of some 'not-so-sound' teaching ... And dont take it personal, youre not the only one, including some here, and I myself also was, so by Gods word and grace I can see it pretty plainly sometimes.

      Unfortunately Im having some 'device trouble' and cant read and type too well (never could anyway, lol, but its gotten much harder)...until I resolve some issues, it will be hard to communicate, but I will do my best , in pieces and typos if need be, and apologize if some of it isnt real clear.
      Hitting send and starting a new post shortly...
      My ability to copy/paste scripture and other helpful links is a bit limited and my internet connection is very erratic right now.

      One thing, though ...
      When you say 'I believe but...'

      One of my sayings is 'Sometimes BUT stands for Bringing Up Trouble'.
      As is often the case, when someone says something, and then they say 'BUT' there's usually trouble brewing.
      (Yes, dear, thats a nice hairdo BUT ... I liked it the other way better) See what I mean? Bringing Up Trouble!
      Sometimes I wish we'd hear more, 'I believe ... And no BUTs about it'.

      To be continued, I hope...
      os as

      ~Ignoring others...especially other
      believers, is anti-christian.~ 1John

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      Quote Originally Posted by Snerfle View Post
      Hi brother! Please dont take this in any condescending or snarky way, as is the manner of some, I mean this from the heart ..... Id really like to help you thru some of this stuff.

      Im sure you could get some things without any trouble, you seem pretty sharp, and not too deeply locked in on some things, ... and not real 'religious' (the bad kind, lol).

      (Often the hardest to reach are the religious but lost, and thats NOT lol) I think you could be a real blessing to others as a result ...

      but anyway, Ive read alot of your posts, even from before I re-joined here a little while back, and Im concerned bc I think you may be the victim of some 'not-so-sound' teaching ... And dont take it personal, youre not the only one, including some here, and I myself also was, so by Gods word and grace I can see it pretty plainly sometimes.

      Unfortunately Im having some 'device trouble' and cant read and type too well (never could anyway, lol, but its gotten much harder)...until I resolve some issues, it will be hard to communicate, but I will do my best , in pieces and typos if need be, and apologize if some of it isnt real clear.
      Hitting send and starting a new post shortly...
      My ability to copy/paste scripture and other helpful links is a bit limited and my internet connection is very erratic right now.

      One thing, though ...
      When you say 'I believe but...'

      One of my sayings is 'Sometimes BUT stands for Bringing Up Trouble'.
      As is often the case, when someone says something, and then they say 'BUT' there's usually trouble brewing.
      (Yes, dear, thats a nice hairdo BUT ... I liked it the other way better) See what I mean? Bringing Up Trouble!
      Sometimes I wish we'd hear more, 'I believe ... And no BUTs about it'.

      To be continued, I hope...
      Brother I'm with you on this, I use a mobile format and usually restrict my wording to a very poor and sloppy fast pace result. I apologise and indeed I noticed the "but" which does contrast the notion I am trying to present. It all depends on time and you may notice my many edits in my posts and I think many people have gotten used to it by now so you might have to use a bit of "mindful filling in" when I dont get the chance of editing in that particular moment.
      Indeed when I said "I believe BUT.." I understand how it may negate and seem against the belief.. I thank you for concern (good eye) and I will try to word my posts more properly for Pete's sake lol

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. 2 Corinthians 10:5 NIV

      The Bible says a lot about controlling and renewing our thoughts. The verse above calls it taking captive every thought.

      So, how do we do that? What's the end result if a believer doesn't do that?

      How do you renew your mind as it says in Romans 12:2 and set your mind on things above Colossians 3:2
      I think this is one of my favorite subjects. Renewing your mind and setting your mind on things above is a command - it's not something we passively sit back and let the Spirit do. We must be proactive in the process. Taking thoughts captive and making them obedient to Christ is part of that process. It requires a good deal of self-awareness, self-honesty, knowledge of biblical principles, and determination (being intentional). I believe that Cognitive-Behavioural therapy is based on taking thoughts captive.

      Here is an example that we give our clients. In scenario one, the core belief is "my partner does not like me". Everything the partner then does is translated using this belief. The partner makes dinner, so the thought "my partner does not like me" interprets it "s/he wants something from me" or "s/he is trying to poison me." In scenario two, the core belief is "my partner loves me". Everything is translated using this belief, so when the partner makes dinner, the translation is "s/he really cares and did something special for me" or "what a treat because s/he knows I've had a long day."

      In scenario two, the core belief is honoring to God because we are to love our spouse. But in scenario one, the core belief needs to be identified and then changed. Once it's identified and replaced with a more appropriate belief, you have to have a high level of self-awareness to realize exactly when you are having those negative core belief translations, so you can interrupt the process. Once you realize what you're thinking is not honoring to God, you can then do some self talk (taking it captive) and make it obedient by reminding yourself of the changed core belief. Eventually, the core belief itself will change.

      The process works with sin, too. If you are tempted, identify the temptation, remind yourself of thoughts or behaviours that are honoring to God, and align your own will with God's by reminding yourself how much you love him...you love him enough that his will means more to you than your own will - and this is going to align your will to his...you will hate the sin as much as God hates the sin.

      It all takes a lot of time and intentional focus on the messages you tell yourself, but it can be done! And the rewards are more than worth it!

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