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    Christian Theology - Thread: Who sits on the left and right hand?

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      Who did Jesus hold up? "Little children"
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      Can you drink the cup that I am about to drink?”
      They said to him, “We can.”
      23 He said to them,
      “Yes, you will drink my cup. But to sit on my right and on my left is not mine to give, it is for those for whom my Father has prepared it.”

      Oil and Wine in a charity of Fire, and whirlwind of Faith from a generous heart that over flows in the washing of the Word

      Then this word of Adonai came to him:
      “Get up; go to Tzarfat, a village in Tzidon; and live there. I have instructed a widow there to provide for you.”
      10 So he set out and went to Tzarfat. On reaching the gate of the city, he saw a widow there gathering sticks.
      He called out to her,
      “Please bring a little water in a container for me to drink.”
      11 As she was going to get it, he called after her,
      “Please bring me a piece of bread in your hand.”
      12 She answered,
      “As Adonai your God lives, I have nothing baked, only a handful of meal in a pot and a little oil in the jug. Here I am, gathering a couple sticks of wood, so that I can go and cook it for myself and my son. After we have eaten that, we will die.”

      13 Eliyahu said to her,
      “Don’t be afraid. Go; and do what you said; but first, use a little of it to make me a small loaf of bread; and bring it out to me. After that, make food for yourself and your son. 14 For this is what Adonai the God of Isra’el, says:
      ‘The pot of meal will not get used up, nor will there fail to be oil in the jug, until the day Adonai sends rain down on the land.’”
      15 She went and acted according to what Eliyahu had said; and she, he and her household had food to eat for a long time. 16 The pot of meal did not get used up, nor did there fail to be oil in the jug, in fulfillment of the Word of Adonai spoken through Eliyahu.

      An oil of gladness
      Behold the Lilies of the field have more to say of Life than the thistles and thorns of the world

      Psalm 45 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)

      45 (0) For the leader. Set to “Lilies.” By the descendants of Korach. A maskil. A lovesong:

      2 (1) My heart is stirred by a noble theme;
      I address my verses to the king;
      My tongue is the pen of an expert scribe.

      3 (2) You are the most handsome of men;
      gracious speech flows from your lips.
      For God has blessed you forever.
      4 (3) Warrior, strap your sword at your thigh;
      [gird on] your splendor and majesty.
      5 (4) In your majesty, succeed, ride on
      in the cause of truth, meekness and righteousness.
      May your right hand teach you awesome things.
      6 (5) Your arrows are sharp. The people fall under you,
      as they penetrate the hearts of the king’s enemies.
      7 (6) Your throne, God, will last forever and ever;
      you rule your kingdom with a scepter of equity.
      8 (7) You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.
      Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
      with the oil of joy in preference to your companions.
      9 (8) Your robes are all fragrant with myrrh, aloes and cassia;
      from ivory palaces stringed instruments bring you joy.
      10 (9) Daughters of kings are among your favorites;
      at your right stands the queen in gold from Ofir.

      11 (10) Listen, daughter! Think, pay attention!
      Forget your own people and your father’s house,
      12 (11) and the king will desire your beauty;
      for he is your lord, so honor him.
      13 (12) Then the daughter of Tzor, the richest of peoples,
      will court your favor with gifts.

      14 (13) Inside [the palace], the king’s daughter looks splendid,
      attired in checker-work embroidered with gold.
      15 (14) In brocade, she will be led to the king,
      to you, with the virgins in her retinue.
      16 (15) They will be led in with gladness and joy,
      they will enter the king’s palace.
      17 (16) You will have sons to succeed your ancestors;
      you will make them princes in all the land.
      18 (17) I will make your name known through all generations;
      thus the peoples will praise you forever and ever.

      'I will raise the cup of salvation'

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      Who sits on the left and right hand?

      Messiah means literally "anointed one" and was the common way in which the Jews referred to kings of the dynasty of David. "Anointed" refers of course to the method of investiture of the Jewish kings. It translated into the Greek as "Christos". The Jews regarded themselves as a "theocracy"... a kingdom ruled by God. The Jews also envisaged a (metaphorical) throne room in which there were three thrones. God occupied the central throne. At "the right hand of God" was the throne of the "king messiah" who was the reigning king of the house and family of David. At "the left hand of God" was the throne of the "priest messiah" who was the high priest of the house and family of Zadok. Ideally there were always two messiahs who were known collectively as the "sons of God". All these terms, "messiah", "kingdom of God", "at the right hand of God" and "son of God" were political rather than religious statements. It was a later generation of gentile Christians who re-interpreted these phrases in a very different religious sense. Both before and after the death of Jesus the early Christians, who were, after all, practicing Jews, understood these terms in their traditional sense. Jesus in claiming to be the messiah had not committed any blasphemy... there was no religious crime that the high priest could legitimately charge him with. That is why he went to the Romans to do the job.

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      Actually, if you read Matthew 11:11 carefully, something pops out.

      Let's do so, with some emphasis added.

      Matthew 11:11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

      And don't forget Luke 7:28: For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

      Could it be that John the Baptist might be facing some serious competition?
      Seeking to understand with precision, God's holy and coherent revelation to us.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pedrito View Post
      Actually, if you read Matthew 11:11 carefully, something pops out.

      Let's do so, with some emphasis added.

      Matthew 11:11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

      And don't forget Luke 7:28: For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

      Could it be that John the Baptist might be facing some serious competition?
      I don't think that, other wise there would be a massive amount of people then on the respective sides.

      All in all, I think that Mary and John the Baptist make the most sense.
      ~May my prayer be set before you like incense;
      May the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.~ Psalms 141:2


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      Me, in Post #54, based on Matthew 11:11 and Luke 7:28:
      Could it be that John the Baptist might be facing some serious competition?
      George in Post #55:
      I don't think that, other wise there would be a massive amount of people then on the respective sides.

      All in all, I think that Mary and John the Baptist make the most sense.
      Actually, there wouldn't be "a massive amount of people then on the respective sides", because by definition only one person would be chosen from the many for each seated position.

      ================================================== ============================================

      Not having an Orthodox or Roman Catholic background (and therefore lacking much understanding inherent in those environments), I would like to ask by what authority is the declaration regarding Mary and John the Baptist made?
      Seeking to understand with precision, God's holy and coherent revelation to us.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pedrito View Post
      Not having an Orthodox or Roman Catholic background (and therefore lacking much understanding inherent in those environments), I would like to ask by what authority is the declaration regarding Mary and John the Baptist made?
      The Mother and Cousin of GOD?
      (You know how Jewish mothers can be ... "I was talking with your Aunt Elizabeth. Would it kill you to be nice to your cousin John?")

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      Quote Originally Posted by Pedrito View Post
      Me, in Post #54, based on Matthew 11:11 and Luke 7:28:


      George in Post #55:


      Actually, there wouldn't be "a massive amount of people then on the respective sides", because by definition only one person would be chosen from the many for each seated position.

      ================================================== ============================================

      Not having an Orthodox or Roman Catholic background (and therefore lacking much understanding inherent in those environments), I would like to ask by what authority is the declaration regarding Mary and John the Baptist made?
      There is no declaration regarding this for the Orthodox Church. As I stated in the OP:
      I heard one Orthodox say Mary and John the Baptist sit in those positions since they played the biggest part in the life of Jesus.
      ~May my prayer be set before you like incense;
      May the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.~ Psalms 141:2


      By your miracles you have become a light, shining upon the world. -Apolytikion of Saint Anthony the Great

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      Mark 10:37 They replied, "Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory."


      Jesus came into his "glory" at his crucifixion. Matthew 27:38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left.

      My pastor brought this up today in his sermon...the 2 who were at his right and left were criminals, not important people.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Mark 10:37 They replied, "Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory."


      Jesus came into his "glory" at his crucifixion. Matthew 27:38 Two rebels were crucified with him, one on his right and one on his left.

      My pastor brought this up today in his sermon...the 2 who were at his right and left were criminals, not important people.
      What does being important have to do with being found to be of the flock of Christ?

      HE says the least will be greatest and those who serve the weak or poor will be great .... not that that equates to important still.

      Just attempting to conversate; not saying anything negative about or towards anyone.

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