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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Non denominational churches

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      I always wondered why Catholic means Universal
      It doesn't mean universal in the geographical sense. That's why people get confused by the word. It means something closer to authentic, i.e. true under all circumstances.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      It doesn't mean universal in the geographical sense. That's why people get confused by the word. It means something closer to authentic, i.e. true under all circumstances.
      That is a lot closer to how Catholics really view it. Anything that is not their church is heathen. At least that is how I see them viewing us protestants
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      It doesn't mean universal in the geographical sense. That's why people get confused by the word. It means something closer to authentic, i.e. true under all circumstances.
      Times are a changing tho...

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      That is a lot closer to how Catholics really view it. Anything that is not their church is heathen. At least that is how I see them viewing us protestants
      You see it unclearly @psalms 91 The Catholic Church teaches this about protestants

      Catechism of the Catholic Church - section 838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptised who are honoured by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptised are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church." With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Thank you MC, that is a view I can accept as every church views others as incorrect or incomplete but is that how the people really feel is my only question. I apologize for what I said as I know that it hurt.
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Thank you MC, that is a view I can accept as every church views others as incorrect or incomplete but is that how the people really feel is my only question. I apologize for what I said as I know that it hurt.
      Thank you @psalms 91. You did not hurt my feelings. My concern is for the truth. The short passage from the Catechism of the Catholic Church is what the Catholic Church teaches. What an individual Catholic may believe may be different. People often have opinions that are not quite right. If you've been told that Protestants are bound for hell by some individual Catholic then be assured that such is not what Catholics are taught to believe. For several centuries Catholics have been taught to believe that people from the protestant churches are "separated brethren" by which it is acknowledged that they are brethren in Christ yet separated from full communion in the Catholic Church. That is simply a fact is it not? You and my Lutheran friends here on CH and all the others here on CH who profess Christ are my brothers and sisters in Christ yet you and they are separated from full communion in the Catholic Church if they are not members of the Catholic Church. Whatever reasons exist for the separation the fact remains that the Catholic Church teaches and has taught for centuries that people from the protestant churches are in Christ and members of his body. Catholics do not teach that people are hell bound because they are from a protestant denomination.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      I think warm and fuzzy is nice.... and I'm kind of warm and fuzzy myself when it comes to my brothers and sisters in Christ. My theology of the church permits that.

      On the other hand, I preferred the earlier Popes who clearly said, "Non-Catholics are wrong about some stuff." Without all this implied relativism, Kum-by-yah - ism, Mr. Roger's Neighborhood stuff, all this kissing of the Koran but ignoring the Augsburg and Westminster Confessions, all this "many roads to heaven" stuff.

      I think the Pope is wrong about some stuff. Not a lot of stuff, nothing that remotely will keep him out of Heaven, nothing that remotely makes him a heretic - but wrong about some stuff. I still love him as a full, unseparated brother in Christ with whom I'll be spending eternity in Heaven because of the Blood of the Lamb - but wrong about some stuff. It's okay, when he gets to Heaven Jesus will make a Lutheran out of him. I can wait for that.


      I think we can end the HATE and discrimination and (literal) wars and shouts of "You need to get saved!" and all the perpetual FALSEHOODS that get shouted on both sides.... yet admit the obvious: We don't agree on EVERYTHING. I can live with that. Heck, I don't agree with myself on everything. We SHOULD discuss what separates us - I'm VERY much in favor of that, and I don't think we do that NEARLY enough - but I'm honest enough to realize we probably won't all ever agree with all until we get to Heaven and Jesus makes Lutherans of everyone. Our brains are puny and fallen - that we don't all articulate our human attempts to wrap our brains around the Mysteries of God honestly doesn't surprise me. Meanwhile..... I love Catholics, affirm them as my full, unseparated, in-every-way equal and equally blessed Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Just wrong about some stuff (then again, it could be I'm wrong about some stuff, too, LOL)



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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      I think warm and fuzzy is nice.... and I'm kind of warm and fuzzy myself when it comes to my brothers and sisters in Christ. My theology of the church permits that.

      On the other hand, I preferred the earlier Popes who clearly said, "Non-Catholics are wrong about some stuff." Without all this implied relativism, Kum-by-yah - ism, Mr. Roger's Neighborhood stuff, all this kissing of the Koran but ignoring the Augsburg and Westminster Confessions, all this "many roads to heaven" stuff.

      I think the Pope is wrong about some stuff. Not a lot of stuff, nothing that remotely will keep him out of Heaven, nothing that remotely makes him a heretic - but wrong about some stuff. I still love him as a full, unseparated brother in Christ with whom I'll be spending eternity in Heaven because of the Blood of the Lamb - but wrong about some stuff. It's okay, when he gets to Heaven Jesus will make a Lutheran out of him. I can wait for that.


      I think we can end the HATE and discrimination and (literal) wars and shouts of "You need to get saved!" and all the perpetual FALSEHOODS that get shouted on both sides.... yet admit the obvious: We don't agree on EVERYTHING. I can live with that. Heck, I don't agree with myself on everything. We SHOULD discuss what separates us - I'm VERY much in favor of that, and I don't think we do that NEARLY enough - but I'm honest enough to realize we probably won't all ever agree with all until we get to Heaven and Jesus makes Lutherans of everyone. Our brains are puny and fallen - that we don't all articulate our human attempts to wrap our brains around the Mysteries of God honestly doesn't surprise me. Meanwhile..... I love Catholics, affirm them as my full, unseparated, in-every-way equal and equally blessed Brothers and Sisters in Christ. Just wrong about some stuff (then again, it could be I'm wrong about some stuff, too, LOL)



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      lol, I laughed everytime you said we will all be Lutherans in Heaven.


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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      lol, I laughed everytime you said we will all be Lutherans in Heaven.


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      Lutherans are not non-denominational. It seems as if the non-denominational folk are not getting much of a chance to discuss their own movement.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Lutherans are not non-denominational. It seems as if the non-denominational folk are not getting much of a chance to discuss their own movement.
      I still have no idea what non-denominationalism is or even IF it is, why not just call yourself Christian?
      I believe because Christianity is so old and widespread and huge, that its just human nature that we would have different​..lets say emphasis or perceptions of the NT, even the four gospels have many contradictions to each other but for good reason (read Cold Case Christianity). I believe Jesus saw this coming hence his calling his elect, those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.



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