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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Have you seen UK shooting statistics compared to USA shooting statistics?
      Sure, shooting statistics might be way down. Instead in the UK people who want to harm someone else use a knife, baseball bat, broken bottle etc. Looking at guns in isolation is to twist statistics to make a political point. As I've said before, the problem is the intent to harm another rather than the specific choice of weapon.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Murders with firearms per million
      UK: 0.236 - Ranked 44th.
      US: 32.57 - Ranked 10th. 138 times more than United Kingdom

      Murder rate per million people
      UK: 11.68 - Ranked 94th.
      US: 42.01 - Ranked 43th. 4 times more than United Kingdom

      Interesting isn't it?
      If you've decided to harm somebody a gun is an easier tool to work with than a knife. No surprises there really. The good thing about guns is that if you do go after someone and they have a gun everybody is on a level playing field. The 85-year-old stands a sporting chance against the 19-year-old if both have a gun. If both have knives or sticks the octagenarian doesn't stand a chance.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Murders with firearms per million
      UK: 0.236 - Ranked 44th.
      US: 32.57 - Ranked 10th. 138 times more than United Kingdom

      Murder rate per million people
      UK: 11.68 - Ranked 94th.
      US: 42.01 - Ranked 43th. 4 times more than United Kingdom

      Interesting isn't it?
      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Sure, shooting statistics might be way down. Instead in the UK people who want to harm someone else use a knife, baseball bat, broken bottle etc. Looking at guns in isolation is to twist statistics to make a political point. As I've said before, the problem is the intent to harm another rather than the specific choice of weapon.
      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      If you've decided to harm somebody a gun is an easier tool to work with than a knife. No surprises there really. The good thing about guns is that if you do go after someone and they have a gun everybody is on a level playing field. The 85-year-old stands a sporting chance against the 19-year-old if both have a gun. If both have knives or sticks the octagenarian doesn't stand a chance.
      People who want to kill other people in the UK appears to be far fewer per capita than in the US. People with guns doing the killing are massively more common than people with guns doing the killing in the UK. Maybe the difficulty of obtaining a gun and the lack of a gun culture in the UK is a contributing factor, yes?
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      People who want to kill other people in the UK appears to be far fewer per capita than in the US. People with guns doing the killing are massively more common than people with guns doing the killing in the UK. Maybe the difficulty of obtaining a gun and the lack of a gun culture in the UK is a contributing factor, yes?
      If you look purely at guns you get distorted views. As I said before if you're in the UK and you decide that a killing spree is the way you want to end your own life you have to find another way to do it. Frankly if I ever were to get caught up in the maelstrom of someone who wanted to die but take out as many others as they could, I'd rather face a guy with a gun than a guy with a sword. It's not like it's hard to find very crowded places and cause utter mayhem and, with the law-abiding citizen utterly disarmed (as is the case in the UK) it's not as if anyone could put a stop to it until the police showed up, at which point they'd face a hugely difficult job getting through the sheer number of people to figure out who the perpetrator was.

      As you said it seems that in the UK the incidence of people wanting to pull off some kind of mass killing is lower. Perhaps we should look at the reasons for that, rather than fussing over what weapon is the most effective once someone has already crossed that line.

      How about comparing the number of gun-related deaths per lawfully owned gun in the US to a comparable figure in the UK? When estimates of the number of lawfully owned guns in the US vary from about 200m to about 600m it paints a very different picture. Millions of guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens who somehow manage to go through each and every day without using their guns to kill anyone.

      It's almost enough to make one think that killing someone is a voluntary act of man rather than caused by guns.
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      The problem is Democrats. Most of the gun crime is done by them. Look at Chicago, itís hard to find a Republican there.

      We need gun control for Democrats.

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