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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Justification or Sanctification Differences

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      That's something I let the Pauline Christians argue about, because it's always a discussion with them along with "Am I saved with...", "Am I saved if..." etc. In life, on the internet, wherever - it's always a point of difference and argument.

      That being said, I did get excited when I saw this thread!!

      Proverbs 17:15 He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, <------------I can trust this
      Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.

      Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him <--------Because I can trust the above I can't trust this!
      who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
      The Bible often speaks of "sinners" and "wicked" as being what I'd call orientations. They refer to people who are fundamentally opposed to God's purposes, not to believers who sin.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hedrick View Post
      The Bible often speaks of "sinners" and "wicked" as being what I'd call orientations. They refer to people who are fundamentally opposed to God's purposes, not to believers who sin.
      What about believers who go on exactly as they did before they believed? No change in behaviour or in ways of living, talking, or thinking except to occasionally utter "Jesus is my personal saviour".
      Saint Jude, author of the new testament letter.

      He is the patron of impossible causes because the scriptural Letter of St. Jude, which he authored, urges Christians to persevere in difficult times.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      What about believers who go on exactly as they did before they believed? No change in behaviour or in ways of living, talking, or thinking except to occasionally utter "Jesus is my personal saviour".
      It's not my job to judge people. Jesus says both that God loves us unconditionally and that we'll be accountable for how we respond to his call.

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