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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Justification or Sanctification Differences

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      That's something I let the Pauline Christians argue about, because it's always a discussion with them along with "Am I saved with...", "Am I saved if..." etc. In life, on the internet, wherever - it's always a point of difference and argument.

      That being said, I did get excited when I saw this thread!!

      Proverbs 17:15 He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, <------------I can trust this
      Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.

      Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him <--------Because I can trust the above I can't trust this!
      who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,
      The Bible often speaks of "sinners" and "wicked" as being what I'd call orientations. They refer to people who are fundamentally opposed to God's purposes, not to believers who sin.

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      Quote Originally Posted by hedrick View Post
      The Bible often speaks of "sinners" and "wicked" as being what I'd call orientations. They refer to people who are fundamentally opposed to God's purposes, not to believers who sin.
      What about believers who go on exactly as they did before they believed? No change in behaviour or in ways of living, talking, or thinking except to occasionally utter "Jesus is my personal saviour".
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      What about believers who go on exactly as they did before they believed? No change in behaviour or in ways of living, talking, or thinking except to occasionally utter "Jesus is my personal saviour".
      It's not my job to judge people. Jesus says both that God loves us unconditionally and that we'll be accountable for how we respond to his call.

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