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    Christian Advice Requested - Thread: Reformation Sunday

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      Tigger, does your church wear red through most of the summer, then? Somehow I don't think that's correct, although the color for Pentecost is red, as you said, and these would be the Sundays after Pentecost (called "Ordinary time" in the RCC).

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      Here's a link explaining the LCMS liturgical colors (scroll down to read about each color). Pentecost Sunday is red but the Sundays following are green.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Methodist is the same
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Catholics regard the liturgical colours as signifying mysteries of the faith. Thus
      • white, the symbol of light, typifies innocence and purity, joy and glory;
      • red, the language of fire and blood, indicates burning charity and the martyrs' generous sacrifice;
      • green, the hue of plants and trees, bespeaks the hope of life eternal;
      • violet, the gloomy cast of the mortified, denotes affliction and melancholy;
      • black, the emblem of mourning, signifies the sorrow of death and the somberness of the tomb.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      The area Reformation Celebration yesterday was GREAT!

      We had maybe 1000 from maybe 6 or 7 area LCMS parishes. I sang in the mass choir (about 100), there were about 30 in the orchestra. Our preacher was a prof at Concordia Univeristy - Irvine (excellent sermon). We did a traditional Lutheran liturgy and of course with Communion. Thrivant sponsored a Brats BBQ after. Great fun and a great focus on the Gospel.


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      Well, I'm impressed!

      That would be a day to remember.

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      The mistake I been hearing is how some church goers think that the Reformation is a celebration of Luther but it is totally a celebration of repentance toward God and salvation by grace alone. Hallelujah!
      If you want to rile people up then go to a Christian site and give God ALL the glory for your salvation.

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      I DOUBT it happened much, but Catholic parishes SHOULD have celebrated yesterday...

      Catholics know the ENORMOUS difference in their "popes" and generally Catholic clergy before and after the Reformation..... consider Pope Alexander VI compared to the current Pope Frances. The enormous shift happened because of Luther and the focus that happened on the horrible, entrenched corruption in the denomination: it suddenly and dramatically got corrected, and they mostly have Luther to thank for this.

      Catholics (especially conservative/fundamentalist Catholics) know that before Luther, Catholic theology was very loosey-goosey, very often ignored as priests and bishops did and taught pretty much as they wanted. There were outright heresies winked at. All that changed with Luther. The RC Denomination began not only to define what it believed, but to teach this more intentionally to the clergy and even to the laity... and bishops actually became responsible for making sure that heresy was not being taught in the denomination's parishes by its clergy, indeed, the Catholicism was taught. The Catholic Church actually became Catholic in its actual teachings.... and as Catholics know, they have Luther to thank for this, he caused this paradigm shift.

      And of course, the Lutheran Reformation not only brought about taught Catholic doctine but a lot of denominational unity. Of course, by far the three largest splits in Christian history were all the result of the RC Denomination (451, 1054, 1521) but as Catholics often know, the RCC itself was very divided: in practice, in doctrine, even structurally. Varies rites and societies strongly disagreed with each other in faith and practice, often strongly rebuking each other and even cases of violence between them broke out from time to time. Perhaps it was common enemy in Protestants.... perhaps it was a new found focus on Catholic theology.... perhaps it was the huge gain in papal power.... but the RC Denomination became somewhat united for the first time in history. But it was all brought about because of Martin Luther.

      Other things too: Worship in the language of the people...... Bible studies and Confirmation classes..... people singing hymns (and the Catholic incorporation of LOTS of PROTESTANT hymns).... a MUCH, MUCH better trained and supervised clergy.... lay involvement.... all these things are a result of Martin Luther on the RC Denomination.

      Martin Luther was a REFORMER and not a revolutionary (as many later Protestant leaders were); he never wanted the RCC to split itself... he loved many things about his denomination and felt that mostly the RCC got it right. But of course, the RCC never allowed anything he brought up to be discussed and simply kicked him out (and tried to kill him) but as it turns out, he DID radically change the RCC.... often in ways Catholics praise and rejoice in. Seems appropriate they thank the one responsibile for it: Martin Luther.

      I would have LOVED to see Catholic celebrations of the Reformation and Luther but of course I didn't hold my breath.

      I would have LOVED to see more Protestants celebrate the Reformation and Luther but that largely didn't happen either.

      Maybe Christians (of all types) not knowing or caring about history and theology..... Maybe just a product of the pandemic of relativism found almost everywhere in Christianity today....


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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      The mistake I been hearing is how some church goers think that the Reformation is a celebration of Luther but it is totally a celebration of repentance toward God and salvation by grace alone. Hallelujah!

      I agree....


      In my parish, we had a 4 week celebration.... but our pastor STRESSED that Luther would not want a history lesson or any talk of him but a laser focus on CHRIST, the CROSS, the GOSPEL! That was the focus (Luther rarely even mentioned during these 4 weeks). Just a very, very clear presentation of Sola Gratia - Solus Christus - Sola Fide...... Soli Deo Gloria!



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      Quote Originally Posted by TurtleHare View Post
      The mistake I been hearing is how some church goers think that the Reformation is a celebration of Luther but it is totally a celebration of repentance toward God and salvation by grace alone. Hallelujah!
      Then why not call it "Grace Sunday" or if you prefer "Grace alone Sunday"?
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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