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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Which is the best?

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      Australia is a nice place to live, generally speaking. Of course there are areas to avoid (frequenting or living in), but that's pretty much the same in every country. Coming from the US it was a relatively easy transition (language) and culturally to some extent - when I moved here the US western junky type diet still featured rather prominently in my life - so burger places, tex-mex and other common western type foods were welcome to me at that time. When you get into or around the larger cities there are more choices now, even some vegetarian and vegan ones - which suits me.

      One thing I noticed immediately is that there is less *nationalism* here than where I lived before. For the most part people are happy to live here (we like living here and defend this country in various ways (patriotism)) - but without excessive pride in being some dominant force in the world. There are some Aussies who I'm sure are proud of Australia's contribution to the "war on terror" (and I've spoken to a few) - but most of the people I talk to - at least now - are more wary of propaganda coming out of some western nations and are not at all comfortable with more war.

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      American pride and Dutch pride are funny.

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      We are seriously proud of this, that our prime minister arrives on a bike.

      I said to Snerf that our country was so much more social than his. I typed that while sitting in the train, bragging about us being so social. But the train was full, so I sat on the stairs and I was too occupied w my phone and ppl had to pass to get out, so one barked at me. Get out of the way!
      Snerf said: they're as social as rats!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      One thing I noticed immediately is that there is less *nationalism* here than where I lived before. For the most part people are happy to live here (we like living here and defend this country in various ways (patriotism)) - but without excessive pride in being some dominant force in the world. There are some Aussies who I'm sure are proud of Australia's contribution to the "war on terror" (and I've spoken to a few) - but most of the people I talk to - at least now - are more wary of propaganda coming out of some western nations and are not at all comfortable with more war.
      Right. I would imagine that it would be easier NOT to feel or express much in the way of patriotism if the rest of the world doesn't give one's country a thought--at least not when it comes to anything political or economic, etc.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Right. I would imagine that it would be easier NOT to feel or express much in the way of patriotism if the rest of the world doesn't give one's country a thought--at least not when it comes to anything political or economic, etc.
      That's no fun, no pride whatsoever. At least w soccer or kings day you have to dress up in orange and look like a nutcase.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      That's no fun, no pride whatsoever. At least w soccer or kings day you have to dress up in orange and look like a nutcase.
      Yeh, I'm sure that there's at least a flicker of patriotic feeling to be found in every country.

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      In China patriotism is a duty.

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      I'm grateful for freedom of expression and the opportunity to freely travel and live wherever I choose. I love that the country is made up of ethnic groups from all over the world and indigenous people with a rich heritage. I love the great variety of geography from mountains to deserts to oceans to rivers and thousands of lakes. I am truly blessed.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Right. I would imagine that it would be easier NOT to feel or express much in the way of patriotism if the rest of the world doesn't give one's country a thought--at least not when it comes to anything political or economic, etc.
      Hmm. Well, I'm not going to be so presumptuous and arrogant as to assume what "the world" is or is not thinking at any given point with reference to Australia. I also noticed that you did not seem to catch the difference between nationalism and patriotism. I lived in the US most of my life. It was not until I moved and lived here for some years that I realized how much of an arrogant Statist the US media had made me. That arrogance is to some extant mirrored on the board with attitudes like yours - and also a far too willing attitude towards war and things that lead to war - sanctions.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      Hmm. Well, I'm not going to be so presumptuous and arrogant as to assume what "the world" is or is not thinking at any given point with reference to Australia. I also noticed that you did not seem to catch the difference between nationalism and patriotism.
      It's ironic that you should think that because I was involved in another debate online and it seemed that I was the only one who understood that there is a difference.

      I realized how much of an arrogant Statist the US media had made me.
      That may be where you made your mistake--allowing yourself to be guided by the media types who are neither representative of the American people nor nearly as smart as they are often assumed to be.

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