The forbidden fruit

MoreCoffee · Oct 25, 2017

Banana has to be it

Andrew · Oct 25, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
Banana has to be it

It could have just been a banana but once they bit it they disobeyed God who said "eat not of the banana tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden, for in the day you eat the banana you would have forsaken me, consider it "off limits!"

Asuk · Oct 25, 2017

Wouldn’t it have been a lot better if the tree wasn’t intentionally put there?

MoreCoffee · Oct 25, 2017

DHoffmann said:
It could have just been a banana but once they bit it they disobeyed God who said "eat not of the banana tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden, for in the day you eat the banana you would have forsaken me, consider it "off limits!"

That's the point. The type of fruit does not matter. The story might not be a history of events. It may be a metaphor. It could be a myth. The point of the story is that human beings learned to sin and once they did sin their human nature was damaged - Calvinists might say that their human nature died.

MoreCoffee · Oct 25, 2017

Asuk said:
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better if the tree wasn’t intentionally put there?

Without something as a temptation and a cause for sin the story would not be interesting. If the story read like this it would be useless

Sinless Garden Version Book one Chapter two

This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens-- and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground-- the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden was the tree of life. A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold. (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin and onyx are also there.) The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden" The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Sinless Garden Version Book one Chapter three

Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden" "You will not surely die", the serpent said to the woman. She took some[fruit] and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then both of them were satisfied, and they realised fruit tasted good; [it was cool] so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. So the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?" He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I wanted to play hide and seek; so I hid." And he said, "That's good. I like to see my children at play" said the LORD God. The man said, "The woman you put here with me--suggested that we play hide and seek so I agreed because it was a good idea." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "You are such a clever lass aren't you?" The woman said, "To tell the truth the serpent described the game to me and it seemed like it would be fun." So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, I am putting a gold star on your report card" To the woman he said, "And you will get a silver star." To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and played hide and seek you too will get a silver star." Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living. The LORD God made garments of silk and fluffy cotton for Adam and his wife and clothed them. And the LORD God said, "The man has now become playful like one of us, knowing good games." So the LORD God made a house for the man and his wife in the Garden of Eden.

The End

Asuk · Oct 25, 2017

That doesn’t sound so bad now does it?

MoreCoffee · Oct 25, 2017

Asuk said:
That doesn’t sound so bad now does it?

No, but it is boring

And it is useless as an explanation for why humanity is as it is.

Imalive · Oct 26, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
No, but it is boring

And it is useless as an explanation for why humanity is as it is.

No I disagree. That was quite an amusing story.

Imalive · Oct 26, 2017

Oh on his report card. I was wondering how to pin that star on that snake, like some sheriff.

Imalive · Oct 26, 2017

Asuk said:
Wouldn’t it have been a lot better if the tree wasn’t intentionally put there?

Yes of course, but we weren't made yet to advice Him.

Wilhemena · Oct 26, 2017

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

The tree contained real food which was fruit and it was a delight to the eyes as the verse above shows to us and also Eve and then Adam ate of the fruit which was not a metaphor or pure symbolism but an account of their fall before God cast them from the garden. God cast them out because he had told Adam to not eat of the fruit and as head of household it was Adam's responsibility to see that his wife obeyed God as well but Eve was first to eat although the account is given to Adam's discredit for the fall because the Lord God commanded Adam directly to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Andrew · Oct 26, 2017

Wilhemena said:
So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

The tree contained real food which was fruit and it was a delight to the eyes as the verse above shows to us and also Eve and then Adam ate of the fruit which was not a metaphor or pure symbolism but an account of their fall before God cast them from the garden. God cast them out because he had told Adam to not eat of the fruit and as head of household it was Adam's responsibility to see that his wife obeyed God as well but Eve was first to eat although the account is given to Adam's discredit for the fall because the Lord God commanded Adam directly to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Thats what im trying to outline here

MennoSota · Oct 26, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
That's the point. The type of fruit does not matter. The story might not be a history of events. It may be a metaphor. It could be a myth. The point of the story is that human beings learned to sin and once they did sin their human nature was damaged - Calvinists might say that their human nature died.

You just went from original sin to the atheist argument regarding origin of sin. It is the argument of evolutionists who deny the existence of God. Be careful here.

Imalive · Oct 26, 2017

Proof that it happened is that it still happens every day. God or conscience says nope dont eat from that tree. Devil says its tasty hear. Try it.

Andrew · Oct 26, 2017

Imalive said:
Proof that it happened is that it still happens every day. God or conscience says nope dont eat from that tree. Devil says its tasty hear. Try it.

Amen, let your answers be yay yay or nay nay, anything else is evil and of the devil

MoreCoffee · Oct 26, 2017

MennoSota said:
You just went from original sin to the atheist argument regarding origin of sin. It is the argument of evolutionists who deny the existence of God. Be careful here.

I have no idea what bogus argument you "see".

MennoSota · Oct 26, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
I have no idea what bogus argument you "see".

You must not be familiar with the difference between believing in original sin versus believing in the origin of sin.
The first states that humanity was in fellowship with God until Adam disobeyed God's command. (There is a specific moment of disobedience.)
The latter states that humans define what right and wrong are based upon the results of actions. Eventually humanity had an "aha" moment and labeled a negative action as sin. Thus we have the origin of sin as humans evolved.
One is God-centered the other is man-centered.
Your explanation fell into the origin of sin category.

MoreCoffee · Oct 26, 2017

[MENTION=394]MennoSota[/MENTION], you are mistaken.

MennoSota · Oct 26, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
[MENTION=394]MennoSota[/MENTION], you are mistaken.

It's possible. Here's what you said.

It could be a myth. The point of the story is that human beings learned to sin and once they did sin their human nature was damaged.

Your comment that humans "learned to sin" implies this was an evolving process. It implies that there was an origin to sin that came through negative experience over time.
You are free to explain yourself.

MoreCoffee · Oct 26, 2017

MennoSota said:
It's possible. Here's what you said.

Your comment that humans "learned to sin" implies this was an evolving process. It implies that there was an origin to sin that came through negative experience over time.
You are free to explain yourself.

The serpent taught Eve how to sin, no? Hence she, being a human being, learned how to sin. Hence ... Humans learned to sin, right?

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