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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: The Triune God.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      I wouldn't put too much emphasis upon diagrams like that one. Yes, we often see them and they're an attempt to show something, but everyone knows that you cannot explain the nature of God with something like that.
      You have validated my point, you cant explain the complete mystery of God all together, stop acting like you know everything especially what God is completely made of, God is everything that is good, man fell and brought evil into humanity, God saw over and over that his creation was good until man disobeyed him, God is love and love is good everything evil is of the devil and the devil is bad.
      This whole man made creed is nothing more than a stumbling block for the children of Israel.
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      Well, you're partly right. We all agree that there is but one God, don't we?

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      You have validated my point, you cant explain the complete mystery of God all together, stop acting like you know everything especially what goes it completely made of, God is everything that is good, man fell and brought evil into humanity, God saw over and over that his creation was good until man disobeyed him, God is love and love is good everything evil is of the devil and the devil is bad.
      This whole man made creed is nothing more than a stumbling block for the children of Israel.
      See? It's as I said before.
      When a very difficult or intricate subject like this one comes up, you instantly turn to insults if anyone says that we have to take it slow and be careful if we want to make any progress coming to any sort of agreement. And especially if the clap trap you've just read online somewhere isn't considered by the rest of us to be the Gospel itself. I wonder what you would have said if I instead had said that that diagram answers every question about God that we could possible raise? Same reply, I am guessing.

      And BTW, what makes you, a young man who knows one congregation and has been with it for only a few months or weeks, from what I can tell, and with no particular past education in these things become the expert YOU think YOURSELF to be??

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html
      I posted this in the other thread but although I watch your video and website sources I see this as purposely skipped over.
      Huh?
      http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html#_1_13 says Jesus is not God.
      And it says the Holy Spirit is not a Person but a force.
      Don't grieve the Holy Spirit. You can't grieve a force.
      Any sin will be forgiven except the sin against the Holy Spirit.
      With Abraham in Genesis 19: 24 there's one YHWH on earth and one YHWH in heaven.
      Noone can see God and live, yet Abraham spoke to YHWH there. He also walked in the garden w Adam and Eve. An omnipresent God can't walk in a garden. That was Jesus.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      This is what makes it so confusing:

      Attachment 932

      Now we have 4, a Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Just put the 3 circles over each other, because Jesus is in the Father, the Father is in Jesus, the Holy Spirit is in Jesus and you get just one circle, w 3 lines over each other and you understand why others just see one.

      The Father is not the Son, etc.

      There is no Trinity apart from Father - Son - Spirit, no fourth person or fourth reality; the TRI (3) unity embraces 3 realities that are one.

      I think the graphic you used is pretty good. But obviously, there is mystery here: no human theory, philosophy, illustration or concept of physics is going to "understand" or explain this reality. Which is why it's called the MYSTERY of the Trinity.
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      That's an excellent point. The Trinity is a mystery. I had said essentially this same thing in previous posts when I said that God cannot really be comprehended by us humans.

      BUT that doesn't mean that, by following God's own revelation to us in the Bible, we cannot know what he wants us to know about himself and what we can handle.

      So it's mysterious, but that doesn't mean that what he has revealed to us can't be known to the exclusion of all other theories and guesses, whether it be Unitarianism, or a version of Gnosticism, or something else that men have speculated about.

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      Hm that link was weird, but the UPCI doesn't say Jesus is not God.

      https://www.thoughtco.com/practices-of-the-upci-700119

      Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, the manifestation of the one God in the New Testament.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      Hm that link was weird, but the UPCI doesn't say Jesus is not God.

      https://www.thoughtco.com/practices-of-the-upci-700119
      Did someone here say that the UPCI does say that Jesus is not God?

      As I recall, all the cautions that have been posted about the UPCI so far have been accurate.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Imalive View Post
      Hm that link was weird, but the UPCI doesn't say Jesus is not God.

      https://www.thoughtco.com/practices-of-the-upci-700119

      Jesus Christ - Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, the manifestation of the one God in the New Testament.
      Yes I read that too. He and his Father are one, this whole trinity concept doesnt matter to me anymore. I still have the same belief as I did when I was a kid and I still praise God and thank my Lord for his blessings. I dont need all these numbers in the way, Christ taught with simplicity and parables, the same question they asked about rebirth is somewhat a parable for me on asking him about the Trinity, he would probably say "I and the Father are one" lol

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      I often say that my political allies and I--or my lifelong friends and I--are one. I never mean that we are the same being.

      Sometimes I word it differently and say that we are one in purpose or are "of one mind about this or that," but I am certain that no one thinks I mean that we all share the same brain stem.


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