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    Politics - Thread: Voting your moral values.

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      Voting your moral values.

      In the USA 71% of Evangelical Christians - a group usually associated with "moral values" in their voting - voted for Donald Trump. A man divorced and remarried several times, alleged to have made unwelcome and improper sexual advances to numerous women, who concealed his tax status both prior to the election and after it, and who is alleged to have had ties to foreign powers (specifically Russia) in the foreign powers' efforts to influence the USA presidential and congressional elections in November 2016. I am guessing the desire for a voice in the corridors of power in the USA trumped moral values for those voters. Which is odd when one considers that the moral values are allegedly Christian values which form a fundamental part of religious identity for Evangelical Christians in the USA.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      What people often forget is that an election is a contest between two alternatives. Whatever list of supposed offenses is laid at the feet of candidate Trump,
      the voters were not faced with choosing between him and St. Francis of Assisi.

      In other words, the voters--and perhaps especially the Evangelical ones--knew very well that Hillary was much, much less admirable. And that's not the end of it, either. President Trump has actually done right by Christians whereas Hillary would have continued Obama's policy of restricting religious freedom and expression. That means that, on a purely practical basis, Evangelicals had good reason to choose him over her.

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      It was a lousy election with two lousy choices. Who sucked less?

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      Yup, and I am amazed that people a re surprised with Trump, you could see what he is before the election, did you think he would magically change? I just hope the poor people will survive his presidency, at least the Republican senators have blocked his taking away health care, fix what is wrong with Obamacare, dont scrap it and hurt millions. I am just waiting to see what else he has in store for the poor while trying to rewqard those who have a lot.
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      What people often forget is that an election is a contest between two alternatives. ...
      No, it is not between two alternatives. An election is between as many candidates as the ballot paper holds. In nearly every presidential and congressional election that is more than two. IN the last Presidential election is was more than four.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Yup, and I am amazed that people a re surprised with Trump, you could see what he is before the election, did you think he would magically change? I just hope the poor people will survive his presidency, at least the Republican senators have blocked his taking away health care, fix what is wrong with Obamacare, dont scrap it and hurt millions. I am just waiting to see what else he has in store for the poor while trying to rewqard those who have a lot.
      Two bad candidates from two parties but what about the Greens, independents, Libertarians, and whoever else ran? Surely at least one was better from a "moral values" point of view.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      No, they weren't. But that aside, it's hard to fault any voter who thinks it's not a good policy to just throw one's vote away. Doing that makes you feel principled, but in reality it is to cast half a vote for the worst of the candidates who have a chance of winning (in this case, Hillary).

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      Voting for any candidate is not throwing one's vote away.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      No, it is not between two alternatives. An election is between as many candidates as the ballot paper holds.
      Only in theory. At least that's so in the American (not Parliamentary) system of government.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Voting for any candidate is not throwing one's vote away.
      As I said, you get personal satisfaction out of doing that. However, it's not going to change the outcome of the election, which is what is meant when people speak of throwing your vote away.

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