International Idiocy.

Albion · Sep 27, 2017

Confessional Lutheran said:
Actually, the Lutheran Church of New Zealand is part of the Lutheran Church of Australia, which seems to be part of the International Lutheran Council, which is the same organization that encompasses the Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod, so yes, they would be considered Confessional.

http://www.lca.org.au/about-us/our-history/

https://ilc-online.org/

https://ilc-online.org/members/asia/australia/

Acccording what I read, following the series of websites, the New Zealand church says that it has a close association with the Lutheran Church of Australia, not that it is part of that church. That may be a minor point, but when you check the LCA website and the website of the Lutheran World Federation, you find that the LCA is part of that organization. Neither of the main confessional Lutheran bodies in the USA belong to it, but its own website lists the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) as its only member here.

As everyone knows, the ELCA is the most liberal of Lutheran bodies in the USA and, in addition, that it has altar and pulpit fellowship--and a very close working relationship--with the Episcopal Church in the USA (which fact speaks volumes).

MoreCoffee · Sep 27, 2017

It's so cute watching liberal Vs conservative punch ups

Albion · Sep 27, 2017

punch ups? What are you referring to?

MoreCoffee · Sep 27, 2017

Donald Vs Hillary folk

Josiah · Sep 27, 2017

The question I have is how did the USA get to this point with Kim Jong Un? All this didn't start last January..... What/who lead to this dictator having these weapons and missiles? What/who lead him and his father to know they could say and do anything - and get away with it? IMO, people seem to think that North Korea didn't exist before last January when Trump was installed, but there's a history here.... one that didn't involve Trump.

psalms 91 · Sep 27, 2017

Its called diplomacy and placating a country that cant be placated. Militarily we should have put them back in the stone age a long time ago or better yet Truman should have allowed MacArthur to invade and we would not be faced with this now. Maybe a few bombs dropped on his palace with him in it might bring him to his senses

Imalive · Sep 27, 2017

psalms 91 said:
Its called diplomacy and placating a country that cant be placated. Militarily we should have put them back in the stone age a long time ago or better yet Truman should have allowed MacArthur to invade and we would not be faced with this now. Maybe a few bombs dropped on his palace with him in it might bring him to his senses

I wonder if he comes to his senses then.
That's what Snerfs dad said too. He was there then and they wanted to liberate North Korea too, but they weren't allowed to. South Korea has 50 percent christians now.

MoreCoffee · Sep 27, 2017

Josiah said:
The question I have is how did the USA get to this point with Kim Jong Un? All this didn't start last January..... What/who lead to this dictator having these weapons and missiles? What/who lead him and his father to know they could say and do anything - and get away with it? IMO, people seem to think that North Korea didn't exist before last January when Trump was installed, but there's a history here.... one that didn't involve Trump.

Kim's scientists did the research China and others provided the funds ...

Confessional Lutheran · Sep 27, 2017

Albion said:
Acccording what I read, following the series of websites, the New Zealand church says that it has a close association with the Lutheran Church of Australia, not that it is part of that church. That may be a minor point, but when you check the LCA website and the website of the Lutheran World Federation, you find that the LCA is part of that organization. Neither of the main confessional Lutheran bodies in the USA belong to it, but its own website lists the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) as its only member here.

As everyone knows, the ELCA is the most liberal of Lutheran bodies in the USA and, in addition, that it has altar and pulpit fellowship--and a very close working relationship--with the Episcopal Church in the USA (which fact speaks volumes).

That's not what I read at all. I don't see any references to the ELCA or the LWF, but I do read about their association with the International Lutheran Council and I'll provide a couple of quotes from the sources I provided, first of all, from the International Lutheran Council's site itself:

Lutheran Church of Australia* (LCA)
History:
Australian Lutheran roots go back to 1838, when our forebearers arrived, fleeing the Prussian union. Our background, therefore, is similar to that of The Lutheran Church–Missouri Synod. Post World War II migration also brought a number of Lutherans from other European countries. In more recent years, many Asians have come to Australia.
A split in the church occurred in 1846. In subsequent years, pastors came from various sources, including different German missionary societies and a number of the Lutheran synods in the United States of America. A merger took place in 1966, in which the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Australia joined with the United Evangelical Lutheran Church of Australia to form the Lutheran Church of Australia.
Since that time we have related to world Lutheranism on a “case by case basis,” apart from having altar and pulpit fellowship with the two churches in Papua New Guinea. In 1993, the Lutheran Church of Australia became an associate member of the Lutheran World Federation.
The Lutheran Church of New Zealand whilst being a District of the Lutheran Church of Australia is also a church in its own right. https://ilc-online.org/members/asia/australia/

Second of all, from the New Zealand Church's site: Links
http://www.lca.org.au - Lutheran Church of Australia (LCA). The Lutheran Church of New Zealand (LCNZ) is part of the LCA. We are a district of the LCA yet because we are in a different country we are also a national church with a kiwi identity. Most of our pastors were trained at the Australian Lutheran College in Adelaide.

This is why I'm reasonably sure that the Lutheran Church in New Zealand is fairly Confessional.

Confessional Lutheran · Sep 27, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
It's so cute watching liberal Vs conservative punch ups

What punch up dost thou referreth to, mine own good poster?

MoreCoffee · Sep 27, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
Donald Vs Hillary folk

Confessional Lutheran said:
What punch up dost thou referreth to, mine own good poster?

See above

Confessional Lutheran · Sep 27, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
See above

OOOOOooooohhhhh.... that punch up!

MoreCoffee · Sep 27, 2017

Confessional Lutheran said:
OOOOOooooohhhhh.... that punch up!

The Theological "conservative Vs liberal" punch up is funny to watch too.

:smirk:

Confessional Lutheran · Sep 27, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
The Theological "conservative Vs liberal" punch up is funny to watch too.

:smirk:

Funny to watch, not so funny to have to deal with. It really gets tiresome. It seems almost like a requirement that you either love Trump or hate him and then politics and religion are shamelessly intertwined here nowadays, when in earlier ages, one didn't take one's religious permissions and prohibitions to the voting booth.

MoreCoffee · Sep 27, 2017

Confessional Lutheran said:
Funny to watch, not so funny to have to deal with. It really gets tiresome. It seems almost like a requirement that you either love Trump or hate him and then politics and religion are shamelessly intertwined here nowadays, when in earlier ages, one didn't take one's religious permissions and prohibitions to the voting booth.

I answered "yes" in our survey about same sex marriages. My archbishop advised a "no" answer but he also made the point that as Catholics we propose not impose so I reasoned since the survey is about getting our politicians to legislate and legislation means impose I would say :yes" because it means not imposing.

Confessional Lutheran · Sep 27, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
I answered "yes" in our survey about same sex marriages. My archbishop advised a "no" answer but he also made the point that as Catholics we propose not impose so I reasoned since the survey is about getting our politicians to legislate and legislation means impose I would say :yes" because it means not imposing.

Yes, absolutely!

Imalive · Sep 28, 2017

Imalive · Sep 28, 2017

That filthy devil. Snerf says 100 years ago it was the christian pearl of Asia.
We have to do spiritual warfare.

MoreCoffee · Sep 28, 2017

Imalive said:
That filthy devil. Snerf says 100 years ago it was the christian pearl of Asia.
We have to do spiritual warfare.

Just can't trust smurfs

Confessional Lutheran · Sep 28, 2017

MoreCoffee said:
Just can't trust smurfs

Nope, no you can't. Any idea what Papa Smurf was doing to Smurfette as he was giving her her " Smurf Lessons?"

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