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    Denomination & Faith Movement Discussions - Thread: Gift of Tongues

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      The sermons are really incredible. Its not all standing up and shouting I mean we do sit and listen, read, bow our heads and pitch our tents. The initial "feeling" "Holy Ghost high" came and went after a week of the first visit. It was a shock to my world but I've learned to adjust. I thought I had to become one in the class of the "goody goody" arrogant types, the ones who boast and judge everyones acts and turn people off while listening to "inspirational/Spiritual" christian rock, no offense to that music, I was really into for a week but it started sounding like the same song with the lyrics rearranged. I dont expect anything from God but love and forgiveness. Faith in him is strength, is mind body and soul for me, if i turn my back he will turn his. God is on my mind 24/7 and has been for the past 5 years or so, I was just confused as to what to believe church wise. The catholic church became such a stumbling block for me personally but now all that past confusion has been put away. Order came back in my life when I found joy in worshipping the lord.
      Wow im really starting to ramble on huh?
      But like I said, the sermons are amazing, its not all "Jehovah's Fitness"

      P.s. i don't believe speaking in tongues separates the church or breaks the body of Christ. As I recall all 7 churches had separate instructions to fit into the one body of Christ or Temple of Christ. Am I wrong on this? I thought we were warned of evils coming into the church in Paul's day and John goes into more detail in Revelation and sends letters to 7 churches, one of which is ready for rapture from the tribulations, the others having charges against but are expected to repent.

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      Thanks, maybe I need to work on how I word things a little better.
      The church is very low key from what i've seen of other pentecostal churches. Its very calm and inviting and the energetic feeling I get is because im usually very lethargic and apathetic, its great to feel up lifted and light again. Thanks all

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      Some pentecostal churches are best described as silly. I attended one for a time and ripping verses out of Scripture to mean the exact opposite of what they actually mean in context was depressingly commonplace. They talked a good game but the reality never matched the rhetoric - they declared themselves prosperous but couldn't pay the rent, they declared themselves delivered but seemed to be permanently needy, and so on. Others are very good. Some are in between.

      Having been involved in the occult and (to a lesser extent) with hypercharismatic churches there are a few things that ring warning bells for me, to the point that for me "test all things, hold fast what is good" is a reminder not to be too quick to reject things because they look too much like things I have found to be wanting (hence my disclaimers ). Sometimes it's hard to describe things, especially when trying to put a spiritual experience into words when you're potentially still trying to make sense of it yourself.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Some pentecostal churches are best described as silly. I attended one for a time and ripping verses out of Scripture to mean the exact opposite of what they actually mean in context was depressingly commonplace. They talked a good game but the reality never matched the rhetoric - they declared themselves prosperous but couldn't pay the rent, they declared themselves delivered but seemed to be permanently needy, and so on. Others are very good. Some are in between.

      Having been involved in the occult and (to a lesser extent) with hypercharismatic churches there are a few things that ring warning bells for me, to the point that for me "test all things, hold fast what is good" is a reminder not to be too quick to reject things because they look too much like things I have found to be wanting (hence my disclaimers ). Sometimes it's hard to describe things, especially when trying to put a spiritual experience into words when you're potentially still trying to make sense of it yourself.
      I thought it was silly at first, im the type that is very introverted and self conscious of myself and what others think. At the same time im very egotistic especially because im a song writer/musician but have horrible stage fright. So imagine that at a pentecostal church lol, i absolutely NEEDED that humiliation to finally get over what other people think of me. I bet I look like a complete idiot at the church but its better than selfishly praying by yourself while in a church when Gods life giving blood tells us in the good book - to be like children, rejoice sing and praise God, jump on top of your clothes, raise your hands high, lift up your head, comfort and love one another, faith is worthless without Love... Our God is a consuming fire

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      Faith in him is strength, is mind body and soul for me, if i turn my back he will turn his.
      Do you truly believe that? Jesus said, "Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Matthew 28:20 God doesn't turn His back. It's always man who does so. God will let man drift away, but He rescues His sheep.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Do you truly believe that? Jesus said, "Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Matthew 28:20 God doesn't turn His back. It's always man who does so. God will let man drift away, but He rescues His sheep.
      I agree. Man turns away from God and if he rejects the calling to repentance but expects the lords blessing the lord will say "I never knew ye"... same difference or no?

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      Quote Originally Posted by DHoffmann View Post
      I agree. Man turns away from God and if he rejects the calling to repentance but expects the lords blessing the lord will say "I never knew ye"... same difference or no?

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      Your sins were forgiven at the cross. Rejection of the Savior at your death is what prevents you from receiving that forgiveness. It really doesn't sound like you've rejected Him. Are you afraid that you'll reject the Savior and His forgiveness?
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Your sins were forgiven at the cross. Rejection of the Savior at your death is what prevents you from receiving that forgiveness. It really doesn't sound like you've rejected Him. Are you afraid that you'll reject the Savior and His forgiveness?
      I was afraid before because although I thought of him nonstop and studied scripture I was still confused due to drawbacks of leaving Catholicism and having no fellowship with any children of God. The only attendees of churches I notice around my area are basically the elderly. Everyone else are usually either atheist, deist/new age, or drop outs of the Catholic church, they might attend if their parents go with their parents, only a few here (that I know of) actually study the bible and even they never ask others to join them to their church, so many are shut out so to speak. No one discusses faith because of fear of ridicule and I get overwhelmed when someone actually says something scriptural. I am noticing that many of my atheist friends are converting to Christianity at an amazing rate, its spreading fast around here.
      Im not afraid anymore, thanks again for talking with me. Good company here, hope I haven't offended anyone. God bless

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      Keep the faith brother and if you ever wish to discuss we are here.
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      Just be careful. I grew up in a "fun" Pentecostal church. Now I see it as mostly funny. I do have some fond memories though.

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      Its all the same church in my eyes. As long as the message is clear and strong and guided by the Holy Ghost and by the Word I really don't care for names or denominations, its all church. As long as they dont blast one another and as ong as they preach in Jesus name i'll go, Catholic, protestant as long as the sermon is true to the word (despite the dispute between them, both are made up of faithful and good people/meek). But I wont go for mormons, JW or anything like that. I'll likely keep to this current church and attend others by invitation, or sadly funerals, but its all under Christ Jesus amen

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