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    Ethics & Debate Center - Thread: How often does Christianity make people worse?

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      No matter what your religion teaches if its teaching makes you treat other people badly then you need to stop it.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Oh, come on. If "teaching" makes one treat others badly, then one needs to re-evaluate what's really being taught.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      No matter what your religion teaches if its teaching makes you treat other people badly then you need to stop it.
      The "it" that one must stop is "treating other people badly".
      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Oh, come on. If "teaching" makes one treat others badly, then one needs to re-evaluate what's really being taught.
      Yes, re-evaluation of one's interpretation of the teaching is important. Not a whole lot of people who treat others badly re-evaluate their behaviour.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      The "it" that one must stop is "treating other people badly".
      Understood

      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Yes, re-evaluation of one's interpretation of the teaching is important. Not a whole lot of people who treat others badly re-evaluate their behaviour.
      How do you figure?
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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Understood



      How do you figure?
      The ones I have known did not change as long as they remained religious.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      No matter what your religion teaches if its teaching makes you treat other people badly then you need to stop it.
      Way too reductionist and simple.

      If you witnessed a rape, were informed of a local child trafficking ring or NAMBLA wanted to come to your town and personally speak to the young boys regarding it's views -

      would you do nothing? Careful, any opposition to any of the individuals or groups might be considered "treating them badly". If you did nothing but preach from the rooftops the evils of these things, there are some who would say you're practicing "hate speech"


      This is how pathetic it has become.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsk View Post
      Way too reductionist and simple.

      If you witnessed a rape, were informed of a local child trafficking ring or NAMBLA wanted to come to your town and personally speak to the young boys regarding it's views -

      would you do nothing? Careful, any opposition to any of the individuals or groups might be considered "treating them badly". If you did nothing but preach from the rooftops the evils of these things, there are some who would say you're practicing "hate speech"


      This is how pathetic it has become.
      Isn't NAMBLA a USA thing?
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Isn't NAMBLA a USA thing?
      Yes - NA in this case stands for "North American", but that is irrelevant to the discussion, as this type of group is not completely unknown in Australia - either overtly or covertly.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Isn't NAMBLA a USA thing?
      Wrong tense. I haven't heard about it for years. Wikipedia says it's effectively dead.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      No matter what your religion teaches if its teaching makes you treat other people badly then you need to stop it.
      I agree in principle but these days the way words are often used I'd want to clarify just what "treat other people badly" actually means.

      The antics of the Westboro Baptist "Church" aren't something I'd dispute count as "treating people badly". I don't see how denying communion to someone who lives a sinful lifestyle and has no intention of repenting is treating them badly.

      I think the simple reality is that it's just another case where balance is needed. If we stray one way we're effectively telling people to sort themselves out before we'll let them into our church (which is kind of like a spiritual version of the way it's hard to get a job with no experience and hard to get experience with no job, but with more eternal consequences); if we stray the other way we throw away all our values and basically just tell everybody that however they want to live their life is just fine.

      One version is like telling sick people that the doctor won't see them until they are healthy, the other is like letting sick people in to see someone who doesn't even look at their symptoms before assuring them they'll be just fine the way they are.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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