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      DHoffman in Post #20 [emphasis added]:

      Socrates was poisoned with hemlock because he was an atheist, Athenian law prescribed it, but think about it, back then being an atheist was the label you got if you didnt surrender to the 'many' gods. This was pre-Christian era and he wasn't Jewish, you couldnt be adopted into Judaism and you didnt have Jesus to convert/adopt gentiles and thus these days we would call him atheist
      Actually, you could be adopted into Judaism.

      People who converted were grafted into the spiritual relationship that the descendants of Jacob had with God. (I can provide Scripture references if requested.) They were welcome to participate in the Passover remembrance.

      Johnís baptism was actually an invitation to individual Jews to admit that their (what we would call) spiritual lives were deficient, and to submit to, as a sign of repentance, the rite that pagan converts had to submit to as part of their conversion process.

      The Pagan converts, while being included in the spiritual aspects of the covenant with Yahweh, had no inclusion in the land aspect of covenant. That was reserved for the descendants of Jacob only. Any idea of pagan converts joining one of the tribes of Israel, has no merit.

      (And Iím waiting for someone to fire a challenge at me, about someone who might appear to be an exception to the rule.

      Anyone?)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      Atheism is a dogmatic insistence that no god exists
      From day to day I literally never think about being an atheist though unless someone asks me about my belief in god, to which I have to say I don't really have one. Its not part of my identity even. There are tons of likely non-existent things that I don't believe in or ever think about. I don't believe there is hand lotion on the planet Venus. No one ever asks me about that though and up until this point I've never had to weigh in on the big hand lotion on Venus question. By your definition I guess we would all be part of the dogmatic no lotion on Venus religion.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Virgil the Socialist View Post
      From day to day I literally never think about being an atheist though unless someone asks me about my belief in god, to which I have to say I don't really have one. Its not part of my identity even. There are tons of likely non-existent things that I don't believe in or ever think about. I don't believe there is hand lotion on the planet Venus. No one ever asks me about that though and up until this point I've never had to weigh in on the big hand lotion on Venus question. By your definition I guess we would all be part of the dogmatic no lotion on Venus religion.

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      I agree with assessment of the claim that atheism is dogmatic insistence that no god(s) exist. That definition is absurd.
      Pope Gregory I was well known for his alms to the poor, and he gave quite generously of the riches donated to the Church by the wealthy people of Rome. Everything from money to land was given to the poor in some fashion. He made clear to his subordinates that their duty was to relieve the distress faced by the poor.

      He ordered his clergy to go out into the streets to find and care for the poor in person.

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