USA Donald Trump on illegal immigrants

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A sea change from the Mayflower and Botany Bay eras.
Yes, but that change is partly from ability to enforce a policy. Even if the Brits had wanted to keep Australia free from outside contamination they would not have been able to do it and the Brits intended the colony for prisoners as much as for establishing a new empire territory. Nowadays governments are more able to turn away boats so they do and the public laps it up along with the other rubbish about terrorists sneaking in.
 

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It all depends on the person. A lot are most hard working people That are trying to help out with their families. But sadly but truthfully some that want to hurt people. It really all depends on the person.
 

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Maybe you don't, but the mainline candidates know that they will have trouble if they say the things they know their potential supporters think.

They would have trouble because they need to raise money. I'm not sure what that has to do with what Trump said.


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The big companies wanted the EU to expand so that they could hire ppl and pay them less, if they built their factories in Eastern Europe.

Part of this is that competitive workers can move to Western Europe.

NAFTA and relations with Mexico are similar, in some ways.

Doesn't that imply that the US government is as guilty as the Mexican government, if a free trade agreement made it easier for foreign workers to settle and work? You can't blame the people for taking advantage of an opportunity to earn more money by working somewhere else.
 

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Doesn't that imply that the US government is as guilty as the Mexican government, if a free trade agreement made it easier for foreign workers to settle and work? You can't blame the people for taking advantage of an opportunity to earn more money by working somewhere else.
I'm not sure about the word 'guilty', but the corporate lobby is very powerful in the US, and while at election time populist rhetoric can indeed be endorsed by candidates answerable to corporate interests, it is hardly to be expected that the Executive and Congress are likely always to favor preserving workers' rights and privileges above corporate efficiencies and profits.
 

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I'm not sure about the word 'guilty', but the corporate lobby is very powerful in the US, and while at election time populist rhetoric can indeed be endorsed by candidates answerable to corporate interests, it is hardly to be expected that the Executive and Congress are likely always to favor preserving workers' rights and privileges above corporate efficiencies and profits.
Exactly why we need strong unions to make a comeback
 

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I have edited the OP to be correct now.
 

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Do you believe most of the illegals in this country are criminals or can they be okay? Trump says the Mexicans are rapists.

No he didn't.


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Exactly why we need strong unions to make a comeback
Presumably what is needed in the interests of jobs and prosperity is an effective market place with healthy competition and a low tax culture which encourages companies to stay at home. Presumably unions need to figure that insulating workers from competition won't be helpful in the long run.
 

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No he didn't.


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I have corrected the OP according to what I heard Trump say on tv.
 

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I'm not sure about the word 'guilty', but the corporate lobby is very powerful in the US, and while at election time populist rhetoric can indeed be endorsed by candidates answerable to corporate interests, it is hardly to be expected that the Executive and Congress are likely always to favor preserving workers' rights and privileges above corporate efficiencies and profits.

However powerful the corporate lobby is, if those who supposedly represent the people pass a rule they can't pass the buck when it comes to the consequences of that rule.
 

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However powerful the corporate lobby is, if those who supposedly represent the people pass a rule they can't pass the buck when it comes to the consequences of that rule.
...but look at how it works in practice. For example, in Honduras the US military and intelligence was tasked with millions of dollars to interdict arms supplies between the Nicaraguan Sandinistas and Salvadorean guerrillas. But there was a rule - the Boland Amendment - which said that US efforts were not to have the purpose of overthrowing the Nicaraguan government. Sponsoring the exiled, US funded Nicaraguan Contras to harass the Sandinistas without pressurizing their destabilizing was an exercise in contradictory semantics.

If in practice for decades, US companies controlled most of the exports of Central American republics, then - whatever words might be used on Capitol Hill - expecting those companies or the officials of those countries' governments to stop acting in those companies' interests was unrealistic. Of course, some form of words could easily be found to describe what a convenient official aspiration might be, but the underlying realities would not be significantly changed.

Similarly if Mexico, part of NAFTA, has for decades had much lower wages than the US, then it's in the US companies' interests to manufacture in Mexico, and then through NAFTA to have the opportunity to bring manufactured goods tariff-free into the US. No rule or aspiration otherwise - however sincerely cited - can be expected to cause the US corporations to cease to act in their own interests. The alternative would mean virtually abrogating NAFTA and creating a union-driven fortress US economy with import controls, in unrealistic defiance of globalization. The CIA would never buy this.
 

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Yeah, globalization, what a great idea, big brother anyone?
 

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Yeah, globalization, what a great idea, big brother anyone?
Isolating business from competition isn't how the free market works. Most of the Republican right believes in the free market, although some isolationist Republicans still believe in insulating business from competition, as do some on the left of the Democrats. In Canada, the Conservatives don't tend to be isolationist; only the socialist NDP doesn't believe in the market.

Trump is hardly an example of a welfare dependent person trying to impose restrictive practices in a vain attempt to isolate the market from competition.
 
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I have corrected the OP according to what I heard Trump say on tv.

He didn't say what you claimed.


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Yes he did. He said that illegal Mexicans are doing the raping.

No he didn't. You should read what was actually said.


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Most immigrants are not criminals (except the illegal part), and Trump didn't say that they are rapists.


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I guess some want to just ignore the OP and talk about what they want instead of, oh I don't know, starting their own OP. [emoji3]


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You're going to have bad apples in every bunch of people, and what Trump says comes off to just write them off as trash and keep it going.
Such rhetoric evades the reasons for conditions in Mexico, and makes unscrupulous populists more popular.
 
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