Pete Buttigieg Presidential Candidate, what is a Christian to do?

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Can you give some examples? In what countries is abortion entirely illegal but the abortion rate is HIGHER than in the USA? Can you list a few major countries?
The Philippines comes to mind but you are welcome to do your own research --- google is your friend.
 

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The Philippines comes to mind but you are welcome to do your own research --- google is your friend.
When you're making assertions about a link between legality and frequency it doesn't hurt to offer more than inviting other people to research it. If someone asks you to back up an assertion and you simply invite them to research it themselves it suggests you don't have much to back up what you're saying.
 

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When you're making assertions about a link between legality and frequency it doesn't hurt to offer more than inviting other people to research it. If someone asks you to back up an assertion and you simply invite them to research it themselves it suggests you don't have much to back up what you're saying.
Say there IS a place where the law forbids something but it still happens.... maybe a lot. Does that mean ERGO the law should permit it? Many in the USA violate laws concerning rape, murder, etc. I reject the premise that morality is defined by how common something is.... if that were the case, sin would be legal.

I accept the JUST, only, exclusively having a law against something doesn't mean the behavior thus ends. On the other hand, legalizing something DOES tend to make it more common. As a resident of California, I can show you the enormous rise in the use of pot after its legalization.... I can show you the enormous rise in abortion after it was partly legalized here and then completely in 1973 ... I can show you the enormous rise in gambling when it was (partly) legalized here. Laws DO impact behavior - although by no means completely. Where I grew up, there is a military base. I'd watch military personale drive 5, 10, 15, 20 miles over the speed limit in town because our police did little to nothing about driving laws and everyone knew it. But as soon as they crossed into the base, they all drove 5 MPH UNDER the speed limit because the law was in place and enforced.

But our friend missed my point. I'm NOT saying "Outlaw abortion" I'm saying "END abortion." I'm not rebuking every Democrat running from office for not supporting a (unnecessary) Constitutional amendment or the overturn of the (absurd) Roe v. Wage ruling, I'm rebuking them for SUPPORTING and DEFENDING abortion - for any or no reason at all, at least up to the last moment the last cell of the last toe exits the birth canal (even if the baby is held there). It's their DEFENSE and SUPPORT for this mass killing that I reject. They like to talk about "rights" but no right matters at all if the right to be, to exist is denied. They like to talk about gun violance (that results in one death per hour) but DEFEND abortion that results in over70 deaths per hour. And Buttigieg is one of them.




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Make up your mind, your post contradicts itself. As far as I am aware no one is pro abortion but I am glad that he is pro choice.
Pro choice is just another way of saying pro abortion since "pro" means you are for it. I didn't contradict myself anywhere.
 

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I read an interesting article that suggested many members of the LGBTQ community are unhappy with Mayor Pete, saying he doesn't speak for them.

It really is curious for people to even consider that one person who happens to be gay could speak for every single gay person out there, just by virtue of being gay. If nothing else, maybe it will come to highlight how silly it is to throw together ever-more letters into a growing pile of alphabet soup to describe growing groups of people who have nothing in common other than that they differ in some way from a nominal standard of "cisgender, heterosexual", and then acting like they have anything much in common with each other.
 

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Pro choice is just another way of saying pro abortion since "pro" means you are for it. I didn't contradict myself anywhere.
Not really. There are surely people who think that abortion is wrong, but think that many of the recent laws against it are bad ways of dealing with it.
 

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I would vote for him for several reasons. One being his only real experience as far as I know is a mayor of a small town. He doesn't have the experience to run the country. There are also moral reasons such as his lifestyle and his being pro abortion.
Did you mean you "wouldn't" vote for him?
 
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