Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?

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Lovely wrap up, they sound just like every other Christian except they go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday :)
I noticed it mentions that they don't go on Fridays, technically Friday evening is the Sabbath, are there any SDA that go Friday evenings?
Adventist go to vespers on Friday after sundown, as you are correct, its from sundown Friday to Saturday. It really didn't strike why. till someone pointed out the obvious, nobody had clocks back then, but everyone could see when the sun went down.
 

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Adventist go to vespers on Friday after sundown, as you are correct, its from sundown Friday to Saturday. It really didn't strike why. till someone pointed out the obvious, nobody had clocks back then, but everyone could see when the sun went down.
That makes since, when sundown came the Jews gathered at Temple,
Like getting off work in Friday and likely not going back to work until Sunday..
But with so many calendars (AM/BCE-CE/AD) and losing 11 days in the Gregorian (the most accurate calendar btw) how are you certain you are keeping the same Sabbath as Adam (who by the way wasn't under Law, nor was Noah) ?
 

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That makes since, when sundown came the Jews gathered at Temple,
Like getting off work in Friday and likely not going back to work until Sunday..
But with so many calendars (AM/BCE-CE/AD) and losing 11 days in the Gregorian (the most accurate calendar btw) how are you certain you are keeping the same Sabbath as Adam (who by the way wasn't under Law, nor was Noah) ?
Well the obvious answer is why were the Jews so strict on the observance of the Sabbath, even with all the changes in name etc.. and you can see they were intent on keeping the seventh day as that was the 4th Commandment, not any other day. We see in scripture how God clearly pointed to the Sabbath and made clear what day it was in several ways as we see with the manna:

Exodus 16:4-28 King James Version (KJV)
4 Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
6 And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the Lord hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:
7 And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the Lord; for that he heareth your murmurings against the Lord: and what are we, that ye murmur against us?
8 And Moses said, This shall be, when the Lord shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the Lord heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the Lord.
9 And Moses spake unto Aaron, Say unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, Come near before the Lord: for he hath heard your murmurings.
10 And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the glory of the Lord appeared in the cloud.
11 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the Lord your God.
13 And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.
14 And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.
15 And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.
16 This is the thing which the Lord hath commanded, Gather of it every man according to his eating, an omer for every man, according to the number of your persons; take ye every man for them which are in his tents.
17 And the children of Israel did so, and gathered, some more, some less.
18 And when they did mete it with an omer, he that gathered much had nothing over, and he that gathered little had no lack; they gathered every man according to his eating.
19 And Moses said, Let no man leave of it till the morning.
20 Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto Moses; but some of them left of it until the morning, and it bred worms, and stank: and Moses was wroth with them.
21 And they gathered it every morning, every man according to his eating: and when the sun waxed hot, it melted.
22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
23 And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
28 And the Lord said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

Now as to the same Sabbath as Adam from Creation, God clearly did not hide the process of Creation from him, especially if they were talking in the Garden. Now here is
a article on that point I came across...

"By surprise, science has discovered amazing seven-day cycles in the very building blocks of plant and animal life. These newly found sevens, or "septans," also lie buried in us humans -- deep in our metabolic, hormonal, and neuronal networks. This startling discovery has wide-ranging effects that you will want to understand. The following article explores those effects by answering three questions. First, does the formerly unknown, automatic rhythm of sevens hold the secret to one of history's most perplexing enigmas -- the origin of the seven day week? Second, what could these innate, autonomous rhythms mean for us? And lastly, what will this new knowledge tell us about the biblical Sabbath and the Creator God?

Society's seven-day calendar week is the only major rhythm of human activity that is totally oblivious to external nature. This so-called "social week" rests on mathematical regularity alone. We may casually assume that our week is really a division of the moon cycle. If that is our assumption, we forget that the lunar cycle is not a twenty-eight-day cycle, but approximately twenty-nine days, twelve hours, forty-four minutes and three seconds -- or 29.5306 days between new moons. A precise quarter of the lunar cycle amounts to the uneven figure of 7.38625 days. So any week using that true length would begin at different times of the day every time the cycle started. There is just no way to neatly divide the lunar cycle into weekly blocks of complete days.

Then what about the sun? Doesn't the cycle of seven relate to the center of our solar system? Again, no! The 7-day week is also independent from the annual solar cycle of 365 1/4 days. A "year" of 52 weeks would have just 364 whole days. Nor is the week in harmonic sympathy with the star year of 366 1/4 days. Star days or "sidereal days" are about four minutes shorter than solar days (an observer will see a particular star at the same position four minutes earlier on successive nights). In short, there are no known external rhythms in nature that could explain the near universal existence of the seven day social week.

Yet, the importance of the seven-day week -- or heptad, a series of seven -- is monumental....Apart from the biblical record, historians have had difficulty placing the precise beginning of the seven-day week. It is simply acknowledged as an ancient practice of very early origin in the evolution of civilization."...https://sabbathsentinel.org/2019/08/15/the-amazing-7-day-cycle-part-1/
 
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Now as to the calendar here is a explanation by my friend palehorse and a link with the explanation...

"The Sabbath day has been lost to history due to calendar changes.

This is incorrect and two small observations show this to be in error.

o First, such an argument makes the gross assumption that at some point in time every Jewish person in the world (all of which keep the seventh-day Sabbath) magically forgot what day Sabbath is on. This assumption flies in the face of common reason. And, just to play devils advocate, if this did in fact happen (world-wide Sabbath amnesia) the Jews would still have their documentation to remind them. The Jews have always been meticulous in their record-keeping and thus would have plenty of written information at hand that would set them back on the correct day of the Sabbath.

o Usually a second argument is that of the calendar changes from the Julian (which was in use at the time of Christ) to the Gregorian calendar that we use today some days were lost. But what they fail to realize is that if the calendar changes altered which day the seventh-day is from the time of Christ, then that change would also affect the first-day of the week as well, which would mean that those that observe Sunday due to Pentecost or the resurrection of Christ are also observing an incorrect day. The calendar changes did not affect the weekly cycle at all.

"Nevertheless, many rationalize that it's impossible to verify which day of the week is actually the biblical Sabbath because Pope Gregory XIII changed the calendar. The Julian calendar, instituted by Julius Caesar around 46 B.C., calculated the length of the year as 365 ¼ days. In reality, the year is 11 minutes less than 365 ¼ days. So by the 1580s, the calendar and the solar cycle were ten days off. In 1582, Gregory changed the calendar so that Friday, October 5, became Friday, October 15, creating the Gregorian calendar we use today. But it did not confuse the days of the week; Friday still follows Thursday, Saturday still follows Friday, and so on and so forth."
 

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Now as to the calendar here is a explanation by my friend palehorse and a link with the explanation...

"The Sabbath day has been lost to history due to calendar changes.

This is incorrect and two small observations show this to be in error.

o First, such an argument makes the gross assumption that at some point in time every Jewish person in the world (all of which keep the seventh-day Sabbath) magically forgot what day Sabbath is on. This assumption flies in the face of common reason. And, just to play devils advocate, if this did in fact happen (world-wide Sabbath amnesia) the Jews would still have their documentation to remind them. The Jews have always been meticulous in their record-keeping and thus would have plenty of written information at hand that would set them back on the correct day of the Sabbath.

o Usually a second argument is that of the calendar changes from the Julian (which was in use at the time of Christ) to the Gregorian calendar that we use today some days were lost. But what they fail to realize is that if the calendar changes altered which day the seventh-day is from the time of Christ, then that change would also affect the first-day of the week as well, which would mean that those that observe Sunday due to Pentecost or the resurrection of Christ are also observing an incorrect day. The calendar changes did not affect the weekly cycle at all.

"Nevertheless, many rationalize that it's impossible to verify which day of the week is actually the biblical Sabbath because Pope Gregory XIII changed the calendar. The Julian calendar, instituted by Julius Caesar around 46 B.C., calculated the length of the year as 365 ¼ days. In reality, the year is 11 minutes less than 365 ¼ days. So by the 1580s, the calendar and the solar cycle were ten days off. In 1582, Gregory changed the calendar so that Friday, October 5, became Friday, October 15, creating the Gregorian calendar we use today. But it did not confuse the days of the week; Friday still follows Thursday, Saturday still follows Friday, and so on and so forth."
Seven in the scripture is a sacred number, a divine number even, a number of completion agree?
Now, I'm not a Hebrew, Jew or Israelite, I'm a gentile, a gentile who is as Jewish as Noah ever WAS (meaning NOT ONE BIT Jewish!) thus like Noah I am not under Jewish Law but have found REST in the fulfillment OF the Law IN Christ Jesus.. as Noah was the righteous 'Rest' before the Law, Jesus is our 'Rest' in fulfilment of the Law and for all Eternity, not to be confuse with eliminating the Law lest every Jew be saved regardless of whether or not they accept Christ.

hobie did you join the SDA or were you raised SDA?

I ask because I question the conversion rate of your denomination, sounds like it lives off of hyper anti-Catholicism to the point of backsliding into Judaism.
You ignore the early church writings completely and pass them off as pre Catholicism, that's not true, they will tell you exactly why their teachers (the Apostles) taught to Rejoice the first day of the week instead of observing the "yet to be fulfilled" Law of the Jew in practicing non merciful stone throwings on Saturday, which was only for a time btw, after Noah and before Christ, we only have 2 commands now that sum of all of the Law of the prophets, Love God and Love another
 

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Seven in the scripture is a sacred number, a divine number even, a number of completion agree?
Now, I'm not a Hebrew, Jew or Israelite, I'm a gentile, a gentile who is as Jewish as Noah ever WAS (meaning NOT ONE BIT Jewish!) thus like Noah I am not under Jewish Law but have found REST in the fulfillment OF the Law IN Christ Jesus.. as Noah was the righteous 'Rest' before the Law, Jesus is our 'Rest' in fulfilment of the Law and for all Eternity, not to be confuse with eliminating the Law lest every Jew be saved regardless of whether or not they accept Christ.

hobie did you join the SDA or were you raised SDA?

I ask because I question the conversion rate of your denomination, sounds like it lives off of hyper anti-Catholicism to the point of backsliding into Judaism.
You ignore the early church writings completely and pass them off as pre Catholicism, that's not true, they will tell you exactly why their teachers (the Apostles) taught to Rejoice the first day of the week instead of observing the "yet to be fulfilled" Law of the Jew in practicing non merciful stone throwings on Saturday, which was only for a time btw, after Noah and before Christ, we only have 2 commands now that sum of all of the Law of the prophets, Love God and Love another
Jesus as the Creator made the Sabbath for man, and who was there, Adam. And he was not Jewish either. We are all given the Sabbath by the Creator as a gift from the very beginning. As for my family, my mother was raised Catholic and my father just raised by his aunts and my grandmother. So I was born after they had become Adventist.

Mark 2:26-28 King James Version (KJV)

27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
 

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I guess you've not heard of Gods Ten Commandments and Christ reaffirming them in the New Testament....

Wow. A monstrous great monologue to open the thread and now this is the best you can come up with?
 

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Wow. A monstrous great monologue to open the thread and now this is the best you can come up with?
Nothing I say or any other person can bring you to truth, that is the work of the Holy Spirit, and like Martin Luther when he was impressed that 'the just shall live by faith', it guides you to Gods truth.
 
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